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Consultas generales para viajar a Kenia, dudas sobre itinerarios y Safaris por Masai Mara, Amboseli, Lago Nakuru, Aberdares, Tsavo, Naivasha, Samburu, subida al Monte Kenia, isla de Lamu, ver Nairobi, Mombasa, Malindi, lago Victoria, lago Turkana...
¿qué os parece este itinerario que me ha ofrecido una agencia local?. Agradecería cualquier comentario!
Llevo un mes pidiendo presupuestos a diferentes agencias locales y no me decido!. Cualquier consejo será bienvenido!
Day 1: 9th August 2014 : Nairobi-Amboseli.
Depart from Nairobi in the morning and drive South-wards to Namanga
Which is the Kenya-Tanzania border arriving in Amboseli for lunch
Followed by game-drive until 6.30 pm Dinner and overnight at the
Campsite.
Day 2: 10th August 2014 : Amboseli
Have your breakfast then proceed for a full day of game viewing in the
Park. Amboseli National Park is located at the foot of Mt.
Kilimanjaro, Africa's highest mountain. The snows of the mountain form
A majestic backdrop to one of Kenya's most popular spectacular
Displays of wildlife - lion, elephant, leopard, rhino, cheetah,
Buffalo and host of plains game, creating Kenya's most sought after
Photographer's paradise. The park used to be known for its greener
Vegetation which was later damaged by the huge population of huge
Elephants. Meals and overnight at the camp.
Day 3: 11th August 2014 : Amboseli-Lake Naivasha
After breakfasst, depart for Lake Naivasha with your lunch being
Served en route, your arrival in Naivasha will be in the afternoon
Where by you will proceed for the game drive at the hell’s gate, here
You are capable of riding the bicycle amongst the wild animals without
Any harm, boat riding, swimming, bird-watching and the rest as you bid
Bye to the hippos. Dinner and overnight at the a budget hotel.
Day 4: 12th August 2014 : Lake Naivasha- Lake Bogoria
After breakfast, leave Lake Naivasha with lunch en route to Lake
Bogoria, this is a saline, alkaline lake that lies in a volcanic in a
Half-graben basin south of Kenya, the lake had been known in the past
As the jewel of Rift Valley, the most beautiful view in Africa which
Is set in the acacia surroundings of the floor of the great rift
Valley, view the lesser flamingoes which are of the larger population
In this lake. Dinner and overnight at the camp or budget hotel.
Day 5: 13th August 2014 : Lake Bogoria- Nakuru
Have your breakfast followed by the departure for Lake Nakuru with
Game drive en route, you will arrive in Nakuru for lunch in the hotel
As you proceed for the afternoon game drive in Lake Nakuru which is
Known for its big five excluding the Elephants, this is the only park
Where you will see both the white and the black flamingoes, the lake
Is as well known as the birds sanctuary, be back to the hotel for
Dinner and overnight.
Day 6: 14th August 2014 : Lake Nakuru- Masai Mara
After breakfast, depart for Masai mara arriving in time for lunch at
The Enchoro Wildlife Camp followed by an afternoon game viewing to see
The many animals that inhabit this unique park, return to camp for
Dinner and overnight.
Day 7: 15th August 2014 : Masai mara
After breakfast, full day spent game viewing a cross the rich,
Tree-studded grassland and rolling hills. The famous mara is renowned
For its great herds of plain game, black-maned lions, leopard and
Cheetah but also contains numerous elephant and virtually every type
Of wildlife to be found in Kenya, have your lunch served at the mara
River which is the scene for annual migration of both the zebras and
Wildebeests, return to the camp for dinner and overnight.
Day 8: 16th August 2014 : Masai mara-Nairobi
Proceed for the pre breakfast morning game drive in the park followed
By late breakfast at the camp as you depart for Nairobi where your
Journey will end with the basket full of sweetest memories to share
With others back home.
Si, yo veo también poco tiempo en Masai Mara y muchos lagos y añadiría Samburu. Si te sirve de consejo yo hice esto (y me hubiese quedado un diía más en Masai Mara):
Day 1:19/08/11:- Nairobi - Samburu
Day 2:20/08/11:- Samburu
Day 3:21/08/11:- Samburu -Aberdares
Day 4:22/08/11:- Aberdares -L.Nakuru
Day 5:23/08/11:- L.Nakuru-Mara
Day 6:24/08/11:- Masai Mara
Day 7:25/08/11:- Masai Mara- Nairobi
Además especificaria hacer game drives a toidas horas (quiero decir que si llegas al mediodia, hacer uno por la tarde) A la mañana siguiente hacer uno antes de desayunar y los otros el resto del día según os convenga.
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De todos modos, estás segura que quieres hacer ese safari con agencia? Por libre (alquilando un coche y los alojamientos por tu cuenta) te saldría mucho mejor (por el aprovechamiento del tiempo en los parques, sobretodo). La ruta que téneis en mente es muy sencilla y no hay nada de complicación.
Yo no recomiendo hacerlo por libre. Para empezar, en algunos parques tienes que ir obligatoriamente acompañado por un nativo masai, además los coches que llevan las agencias tienen radio y se van comunicando para decir donde se pueden ver animales. Los buenos guías conocen los parques y saben dónde ir.
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Nevada18 Escribió:
yo no recomiendo hacerlo por libre. Para empezar, en algunos parques tienes que ir obligatoriamente acompañado por un nativo masai, además los coches que llevan las agencias tienen radio y se van comunicando para decir donde se pueden ver animales. Los buenos guías conocen los parques y saben dónde ir.
Tres cosas:
- Parques que sea obligatorio ir con guía no encontré ninguno en Kenia. ¿Puedes decirme en qué parques es obligatorio ir con guía?
- He ido con agencia y por libre y la experiencia no varía mucho de una forma a otra (número de avistamientos, en calidad y cantidad). Sin embargo, por libre estás mucho más tiempo dentro del parque, aprovechas mejor el tiempo y eliges en todo momento lo que hacer sin que nadie trate de dirigirte.
- "Los buenos guías" son muy pocos y por lo general, a no ser que te vayas a tours muy, muy caros, tendrás guías mediocres.
Esto es todo basado en mi experiencia, por supuesto.
En el Mara hay una zona en la que se tiene que ir acompañados por un masai, no en todo en parque pero sí en una amplia zona.
En lo referente a ir por libre, a mi me gusta viajar por libre, pero en este caso en particular yo prefiero y recomiendo ir con guía, pero es una opinión personal basada en mi experiencia.
No pretendo discutir si una opción es mejor o peor en términos absolutos, tan sólo digo que en mi opinión personal, se aprovecha mejor el viaje con un buen guía.
Hola
Yo lo hice por mi cuenta alquilando 4x4 y ningun problema. Todo el mundo intenta meterte miedo para que compres un paquete completo, pero alquilar coche y dormir en camping en los parques es toda una aventura.
Te puedes plantear coger 1 guia allí mismo el primer día, especialmente en masai mara que es muy extenso, pero en cuanto ves como funciona ningun problema. Incluso parabamos a preguntar a los guias donde habia animales y respondian amablemente. Mas que guias la mayoria son choferes con radio que se van avisando.
En samburu y amboselli no hace falta guia, con estar un poco atento y ver donde van las vans suficiente.
Si estas muchos días, enseguida vas a ver los animales, especialmente en mara, esta bien combinarlo con un poco de aventura.
Un saludo
¿qué os parece este itinerario que me ha ofrecido una agencia local?. Agradecería cualquier comentario!
Llevo un mes pidiendo presupuestos a diferentes agencias locales y no me decido!. Cualquier consejo será bienvenido!
Day 1: 9th August 2014 : Nairobi-Amboseli.
Depart from Nairobi in the morning and drive South-wards to Namanga
Which is the Kenya-Tanzania border arriving in Amboseli for lunch
Followed by game-drive until 6.30 pm Dinner and overnight at the
Campsite.
Day 2: 10th August 2014 : Amboseli
Have your breakfast then proceed for a full day of game viewing in the
Park. Amboseli National Park is located at the foot of Mt.
Kilimanjaro, Africa's highest mountain. The snows of the mountain form
A majestic backdrop to one of Kenya's most popular spectacular
Displays of wildlife - lion, elephant, leopard, rhino, cheetah,
Buffalo and host of plains game, creating Kenya's most sought after
Photographer's paradise. The park used to be known for its greener
Vegetation which was later damaged by the huge population of huge
Elephants. Meals and overnight at the camp.
Day 3: 11th August 2014 : Amboseli-Lake Naivasha
After breakfasst, depart for Lake Naivasha with your lunch being
Served en route, your arrival in Naivasha will be in the afternoon
Where by you will proceed for the game drive at the hell’s gate, here
You are capable of riding the bicycle amongst the wild animals without
Any harm, boat riding, swimming, bird-watching and the rest as you bid
Bye to the hippos. Dinner and overnight at the a budget hotel.
Day 4: 12th August 2014 : Lake Naivasha- Lake Bogoria
After breakfast, leave Lake Naivasha with lunch en route to Lake
Bogoria, this is a saline, alkaline lake that lies in a volcanic in a
Half-graben basin south of Kenya, the lake had been known in the past
As the jewel of Rift Valley, the most beautiful view in Africa which
Is set in the acacia surroundings of the floor of the great rift
Valley, view the lesser flamingoes which are of the larger population
In this lake. Dinner and overnight at the camp or budget hotel.
Day 5: 13th August 2014 : Lake Bogoria- Nakuru
Have your breakfast followed by the departure for Lake Nakuru with
Game drive en route, you will arrive in Nakuru for lunch in the hotel
As you proceed for the afternoon game drive in Lake Nakuru which is
Known for its big five excluding the Elephants, this is the only park
Where you will see both the white and the black flamingoes, the lake
Is as well known as the birds sanctuary, be back to the hotel for
Dinner and overnight.
Day 6: 14th August 2014 : Lake Nakuru- Masai Mara
After breakfast, depart for Masai mara arriving in time for lunch at
The Enchoro Wildlife Camp followed by an afternoon game viewing to see
The many animals that inhabit this unique park, return to camp for
Dinner and overnight.
Day 7: 15th August 2014 : Masai mara
After breakfast, full day spent game viewing a cross the rich,
Tree-studded grassland and rolling hills. The famous mara is renowned
For its great herds of plain game, black-maned lions, leopard and
Cheetah but also contains numerous elephant and virtually every type
Of wildlife to be found in Kenya, have your lunch served at the mara
River which is the scene for annual migration of both the zebras and
Wildebeests, return to the camp for dinner and overnight.
Day 8: 16th August 2014 : Masai mara-Nairobi
Proceed for the pre breakfast morning game drive in the park followed
By late breakfast at the camp as you depart for Nairobi where your
Journey will end with the basket full of sweetest memories to share
With others back home.
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SORGISORGI Escribió:
Incluso parabamos a preguntar a los guias donde habia animales y respondian amablemente. Mas que guias la mayoria son choferes con radio que se van avisando.
Exacto, como dice SORGISORGI los guías, salvo honrosas excepciones, son simplemente conductores que las agencias subcontratan por un precio fijo y que tratan por todos los medios de minimizar sus propios gastos: mínima gasolina y no hacer ningún daño al vehículo. Es por eso que no tienes toda la libertad que desearías ni haces game rides de 12 horas como hacíamos nosotros cuando yo conducía (tampoco le puedes pedir a un pobre hombre que está trabajando con un margen muy mínimo que haga 3 game rides seguidos sin parar siquiera a comer, eso lo hace tu porque para ti es una experiencia y un momento único en tu vida, él ya está cansado de ver leones y gacelas
Por otra parte, Nevada18, no se si te refieres al Mara Triangle. Si te refieres al Triangle, quizás hayan cambiado las reglas, pero cuando yo estuve, con pagar la entrada no tenías problema. Y si te refieres al trozo de río dónde puedes bajar y andar cerca de los hipopótamos, te puedo contar como hacer eso mismo sin pasar por la mafia del parque y los "guías".
Saludos
Siempre viajamos por libre a todas partes pues odiamos los tours o los grupos pero esta vez el safari lo hice con una agencia local, negociando todo, regateando y pactando y dejándolo todo muy atado. Para la visita de los parques yo lo recomiendo.Con mis hijas, éramos 4 y íbamos solos (no con grupos) con un coche y un guía que conducía que fue una maravilla (las carreteras en según que tramos están fatal, al menos cuando fui yo que estaban la mitad levantadas). Estábamos en el parque a las 6 de la mañana, volvíamos a las 9 a desayunar y volvíamos a salir al parque todo el día y nos quedábamos a comer en el suelo. La ventaja que vi de ir así es que ves todos los animales (los big five) ya que los guías se van avisando de donde avistan animales y además ellos se orientan perfectamente. Lo importante es llevar un buen guía, que tenga ganas de hacer lo mismo que tu y al que le divierta lo que hace. El resto de viaje hacia Mombasa y sur lo realizamos por libre por nuestra cuenta.
Si me permites un consejo, demasiados kilómetros. Amboseli es un gran parque para ver elefantes y hervivoros, pero no veras leones ni guepardos ni leopardos, es muy difícil ya que hay pocos y en una zona protegida. Centrate en la zona norte, mete un día mas en Mara y no visites tantos lagos.
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isabelmb77 Escribió:
Hola,
¿qué os parece este itinerario que me ha ofrecido una agencia local?. Agradecería cualquier comentario!
Llevo un mes pidiendo presupuestos a diferentes agencias locales y no me decido!. Cualquier consejo será bienvenido!
Day 1: 9th August 2014 : Nairobi-Amboseli.
Depart from Nairobi in the morning and drive South-wards to Namanga
Which is the Kenya-Tanzania border arriving in Amboseli for lunch
Followed by game-drive until 6.30 pm Dinner and overnight at the
Campsite.
Day 2: 10th August 2014 : Amboseli
Have your breakfast then proceed for a full day of game viewing in the
Park. Amboseli National Park is located at the foot of Mt.
Kilimanjaro, Africa's highest mountain. The snows of the mountain form
A majestic backdrop to one of Kenya's most popular spectacular
Displays of wildlife - lion, elephant, leopard, rhino, cheetah,
Buffalo and host of plains game, creating Kenya's most sought after
Photographer's paradise. The park used to be known for its greener
Vegetation which was later damaged by the huge population of huge
Elephants. Meals and overnight at the camp.
Day 3: 11th August 2014 : Amboseli-Lake Naivasha
After breakfasst, depart for Lake Naivasha with your lunch being
Served en route, your arrival in Naivasha will be in the afternoon
Where by you will proceed for the game drive at the hell’s gate, here
You are capable of riding the bicycle amongst the wild animals without
Any harm, boat riding, swimming, bird-watching and the rest as you bid
Bye to the hippos. Dinner and overnight at the a budget hotel.
Day 4: 12th August 2014 : Lake Naivasha- Lake Bogoria
After breakfast, leave Lake Naivasha with lunch en route to Lake
Bogoria, this is a saline, alkaline lake that lies in a volcanic in a
Half-graben basin south of Kenya, the lake had been known in the past
As the jewel of Rift Valley, the most beautiful view in Africa which
Is set in the acacia surroundings of the floor of the great rift
Valley, view the lesser flamingoes which are of the larger population
In this lake. Dinner and overnight at the camp or budget hotel.
Day 5: 13th August 2014 : Lake Bogoria- Nakuru
Have your breakfast followed by the departure for Lake Nakuru with
Game drive en route, you will arrive in Nakuru for lunch in the hotel
As you proceed for the afternoon game drive in Lake Nakuru which is
Known for its big five excluding the Elephants, this is the only park
Where you will see both the white and the black flamingoes, the lake
Is as well known as the birds sanctuary, be back to the hotel for
Dinner and overnight.
Day 6: 14th August 2014 : Lake Nakuru- Masai Mara
After breakfast, depart for Masai mara arriving in time for lunch at
The Enchoro Wildlife Camp followed by an afternoon game viewing to see
The many animals that inhabit this unique park, return to camp for
Dinner and overnight.
Day 7: 15th August 2014 : Masai mara
After breakfast, full day spent game viewing a cross the rich,
Tree-studded grassland and rolling hills. The famous mara is renowned
For its great herds of plain game, black-maned lions, leopard and
Cheetah but also contains numerous elephant and virtually every type
Of wildlife to be found in Kenya, have your lunch served at the mara
River which is the scene for annual migration of both the zebras and
Wildebeests, return to the camp for dinner and overnight.
Day 8: 16th August 2014 : Masai mara-Nairobi
Proceed for the pre breakfast morning game drive in the park followed
By late breakfast at the camp as you depart for Nairobi where your
Journey will end with the basket full of sweetest memories to share
With others back home.
Comno dice, Jpedro, yo también quitaría un poco de agua y le daria un día mas a Mara... Los lagos, si te pillan con las aguas altas, curiosamente no son tan interesantes, porque no es fácil ver flamencos, por ejemplo, y ademas los caminos pueden estar anegados.
Yo quitaria por ejemplo el llago Bogoria, pondria ese día en Mara y en Naivasha exigiria la visita a Crescent Island, el poder andar rodeado de animales salvajes es sensación increible y que solo se puede realizar allí ya que no hay carnivoros.
Muchísimas gracias por vuestro consejos! (Ivan, me encantó tu blog). Otra agencia local me ha ofrecido esta ruta por 500 dólares más por persona, ¿qué os parece?
9 DAYS MAASAI MARA / LK. NAKURU /SAMBURU/ EQUATOR / AMBOSELI
Day1: Nairobi - Maasai Mara.
Pick up from the hotel at 8am to depart for Maasai Mara at 8.30am. Drive
South through the floor of the Great Rift Valley. Stop at the Rift Valley
Viewpoint for photography and after proceed to Narok Town for lunch.
Proceed to Mara arriving in time for an evening game drive from 4pm �
6.30pm when you return to the camp for dinner & overnight.
Day 2: Maasai Mara
After breakfast, with your lunch boxes, proceed to a full day of game
Viewing from 8am until 5pm. This day you will experience Maasai Mara in
Reality as you will be treated with great views of wildlife including
�The Big 5 � Lion, Leopard, Buffalo, Elephant and Black Rhinoceros�.
Others are Impala, Giraffe, Cheetah, etc. The game drive heads to the Mara
River where you see lots of Hippos & crocodiles sharing a pool in Mara
River. Return to the camp for dinner & overnight.
Day 3: Maasai Mara - Nakuru
A pre-breakfast game drive from 6.30 am � 8am. After breakfast drive
Back to Nairobi with a stop at Narok town for lunch. Continue driving to
Nakuru town where you check in a budget hotel for dinner & overnight.
Day 4: Day Lake Nakuru - Samburu
After breakfast proceed to Lake Nakuru National park (10 minutes drive)
For a game drive from 7am -10am. The park is famous for its huge
Concentration of Pink flamingos the reason why the lake is commonly known
As the "Pink Lake". Besides, it is possible to see other game like the
Rare Rothschild giraffe, Water Buck, Impala, White Rhino and Buffalo among
Others. Later drive to Samburu National Reserve with a brief stop at
Thompson falls & again for lunch at Nanyuki town. After lunch drive
Straight to the park to arrive in time for a short evening game drive.
Dinner & overnight at the camp.
Day 5: Samburu
A full day spent in the reserve with morning (6.30 -9.30am) and evening
(4pm � 6.30pm) game drives. All meals & overnight at the camp.
Day 6: Samburu - Nanyuki
Early morning game viewing from 6.30 � 9.30am. After breakfast, with a
Game drive, leave the park for Nanyuki � the Equator town. On arrival
Check in a budget hotel, where you spend the whole afternoon resting.
Dinner & overnight at the hotel.
Day 7: Nanyuki � Nairobi - Amboseli
After breakfast drive to the equator for photography and later to Nairobi
For lunch. After lunch drive to Amboseli National park to arrive in time
For an evening game drive. Dinner & overnight at the lodge.
Day 8: Amboseli
Early morning pre-breakfast game drive at 6.30am � 9.30am when you have
Best chances to see the Majestic Mt. Kilimanjaro. Mornings are also good
To see the predators hunt their pray in the Savannah grassland. Return to
The lodge for breakfast & leisure. You may go for an optional Masai Nature
Walk or Village visit. After lunch, in the afternoon go for an evening
Game drive until 6.30 pm when you return to the lodge for dinner &
Overnight.
Day 9: Amboseli/Nairobi
A pre-breakfast game drive from 6.30am � 9.30am. After breakfast, with
Your picnic boxes, do an en-route game drive as you leave the park for
Nairobi. Drop off at your favorite hotel.
Seguramente vamos a visitar Kenia y Tanzania, como vamos a ver los 2 países y tenemos poco tiempo ¿merece la pena ver el Serengueti siendo muy parecido a Mara y así usamos esos días para ver otros parques de Tanzania¿??? O es visita obligada¿????
Hombre pues yo lo diría el revés, si vistas Serengueti ni visites Mara, ya que el primero es inmensamente mas grande que el segundo. Dependiendo la época del año, para saber donde están los rebaños, es mejor visitar uno u otro. Yo estuve en los dos y al verdad no me arrepiento, es mejor quitar otros a estos, son la autentica sabana africana.
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Akumal2014 Escribió:
Seguramente vamos a visitar Kenia y Tanzania, como vamos a ver los 2 países y tenemos poco tiempo ¿merece la pena ver el Serengueti siendo muy parecido a Mara y así usamos esos días para ver otros parques de Tanzania¿??? O es visita obligada¿????
Por lo que he leido, vas en septiembre... Mara es obligado en septiembre. Serengueti, si vas a Mara lo puedes dejar, pero ya que vas a Ngorongoro, yo también iria a Serengueti, pues es un parque muy importante y buscaría quitar otra cosa.